Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by joneysd, Nov 12, 2014. Although Mormons profess to be Christians and say they believe the Word of God, there are many of their beliefs that contradict Christianity. Begin by praising the good . In 2016. Mormons go to church in their geographical area closest to them. Then Mormons to heaven with God and families; others rewarded apart from God; hell for those who still reject God. Repent of their sins 3. Mormonism teaches the continuation of the soul after the body is physically dead. Sacraments are sensible signs Jesus Christ instituted to confer grace, i.e., divine life (CCC 1131; 1114-16). . Then, with the right hand uplifted, an oath is taken to avenge the death of Joseph Smith, jun., upon the gentiles who had caused his murder, to teach the children of the church to do likewise, [The oath against the murderers of the Smiths has since been removed.] He cannot have exaltation! Despite heaven not being our default destination that does not mean God doesn’t want us there. 6. William Clayton, secretary to Joseph Smith, also discussed some of the temple work in his journals. mormons in their church services refer rather more frequently to the book of mormon, doctrine and covenants, and the pearl of great price than they do to the bible. The first time a Mormon attends the temple endowment ceremony he/she will be given a new name [usually a Bible name like Peter or Mary or the name of European royalty]. David Bartosiewicz on Does The Belief System of a True Believing Mormon Get Them to Heaven xxxvi-xxxvii; see also pp. Oh and part two...what happens to the woman if she refuses to be called? A Mormon mother was preparing pancakes for her sons, Owen, 5, and Bill, 3. Like the one saying they can’t play basketball unless it’s a half-court game. to obey implicitly and without murmur or question all commands of the priesthood, to refrain from adultery, and finally, eternal secrecy concerning all that transpired in the endowment house is promised. But he stopped me, and said, “You may, if you wish, be ‘sealed’ to me, and then you know there would be no risk to run, in case you should die. In the resurrection, they stand side by side and hold dominion together. I was then nineteen years old. Of these ceremonies Mrs Stenhouse, from whose account the foregoing is partly taken, says: “About what was done in Nauvoo, I can only speak by hearsay, but have been told many strange and revolting stories about the ceremonies which were there performed. This is part of the Mormon fact and myth cheat sheet on this website. 15, no. Mormon missionaries get all the weirdest rules. You may have heard the word, “sealing,” in conjunction with the term eternal marriage. Bad people go to the lowest, the Telestial Kingdom (Doctrine and Covenants 76:81-86). we were then dressed with a white night-gown and skirt, and shoes of bleached drilling, and with our hair loose and dripping with consecrated oil, each received a new name, and were instructed that we were never to pronounce this name on earth but once: and that, when we came to enter within the “Veil,” hereafter described. So, because of that, there is nothing to fear, nothing to be concerned about. Mormons believe that God created multiple worlds and each world has people living on it. Is there an age limit associated with this? Today. They also believe that multiple Gods exist but each has their own universe. Hence all true Mormons are Priests, and women really do not amount to much in themselves, . and myself, were called to the [Nauvoo] Temple to receive our “Endowments.” . He cannot have an increase! These congregations are called wards and are typically made up of 200-600 people. Sin separates us from a relationship with God (Isaiah 59:2). The LDS Church also adheres to actual locations in the afterlife - i.e. However, Smith began to practice polygyny in the 1830s and secretly told his "inner circle" that he had received a revelation: a man should take multiple wives in order to become a king in Heaven. He does not understand. Now, Latter-day Saints do believe that in some instances, a woman’s husband will be given the privilege of performing the resurrection ordinance for and in behalf of the Savior.  In cases where a woman does not have a worthy husband, the Savior may allow her father to do so. He supposedly found these plates in New York and translated them into a new scripture known as the Book of Mormon. Norms have been revised, but … As church members rehearsed this celestial drama, they wore special clothing and volunteered the necessary words and signs to enter the highest heaven, the Celestial Kingdom. Then comes an address, after which another room is entered, leading from which is a door with a hole in it, covered with a piece of muslin [cotton]. How do you get to heaven according to the Catholic Church? 3, where a representation of the creation, the temptation, and fall is given. In the celestial kingdom there will be perfect accord and happiness. not missing your point at all you said there will be no single men in heaven, Jesus did not marry so he cannot be in heaven according to you which i assume means according to the lds... That's a debate for another part of the forum as to whether or not he was married, but the theology. Over this was put the apron we had received in the “first glory;” and the women wore what is called a veil . and then anointed with “consecrated oil,” . A man does not need to have a prior marriage/sealing to a former wife canceled. 4 Mormon Mother. . Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, taught that a righteous man could help numerous women and children go to heaven by being 'sealed' in plural marriage. Only God judges who receive an eternal reward or not, it is not ours to decide. Share these funny Mormon jokes with your friends. The Mormon Church does deny the deity of Christ, does teach faith & works for salvation, denies the Trinity, teaches you can become a god, etc. .” (H. H. Bancroft, History of Utah, 1540-1886, 1889, ch. This section specifically discusses Mormon belief about relationships. Can a man refuse to call forth a worthy wife? This concludes the ceremony, with the exception of marriage, which will be noticed elsewhere. . LDS Apostle Erastus Snow preached the following on Sunday, October 4, 1857: Do the women, when they pray, remember their husbands? 5, p. 291). Rush Limbaugh’s Wife Reveals Final Days ‘He Knew He was Going to Heaven’. Mormons believe that everyone has to be baptized a Mormon in order to get into heaven. . . In Mormonism, Heavenly Mother or the Mother in Heaven is the mother of human spirits and the wife of God the Father.Those who accept the Mother in Heaven doctrine trace its origins to Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement.The doctrine became more widely known after Smith's death in 1844.. He wrote about washings and anointings, preparatory rituals for the endowment ceremony, and described dramatic role-playing in which church members act out the Garden of Eden story of Adam, Eve, and the serpent. ). If you did, it was because your husband was away, and some one had to act proxy for him. . The wife must tell her husband her new name, and no one else, … This is from an address on the topic of Marriage by former President Spencer Kimball -. And just as Jesus Christ was raised from the dead, so we too will be raised and given new bodies—bodies like His resurrection body. Mormons believe that everyone has to be baptized a Mormon in order to get into heaven. How to Get to Heaven : How does a person get to heaven? Mormon women probably feel that God's presence in their lives asks them to do a lot of work within the church and at home, and they are scrambling to do everything that they need to get done. The Utah woman whose face and body were forever changed by a harrowing accident has written a book about how she beat the odds to return to her life as a loving mother and wife. Don’t worry about your wife recognizing you; God will not withhold any blessing He has for us in Heaven—including this one. They also believe that almost everyone will go to heaven, which is divided up into three main levels. Many evangelicals teach that a person gets to heaven by being “saved.” This involves the act of accepting Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. This ends the first degree; and the initiated are now driven out of Eden into room No. This is called going behind the veil. The sealing power applies to more than just the marriage—it applies to the entire family as well. Every man who overcomes all things and is thereby entitled to inherit all things, receives power to bring up his wife to join him in the possession and enjoyment thereof. Mar 12:25 For when they rise again from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as angels in Heaven. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. save her; and she will be his in the next world. . She went to northern Virginia, I went to southern Virginia. However, only those who merit the highest part of the Celestial Kingdom will have Eternal Life [the ability to live in a marriage relationship and continue to beget children—see D&C 132:20-24, also see “Mormons Hope to Become Gods of Their Own Worlds”]. How the LDS Husband Hopes to Resurrect His Wife According to the LDS Temple Ceremony. Your voice is missing! When she later explained to Apostle Orson Hyde why she had left her husband, Mr. Hyde replied: “The reasons you have given do not constitute a lawful excuse for leaving your husband, according to the laws of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.”, I then rose up to go, as I did not propose to discuss the matter with him. He can be sealed to a new wife for time and eternity in a temple without this procedural barrier. . To enter the temple you need a bishop to approve you. At the same time, they teach that acts cannot get you into Heaven. LDS teaching on these subjects is found especially in Doctrine & Covenants 76, 88, and 132. 4, which represents the world, where they encounter many temptations, the chief of which is the false gospel preached by methodists, baptists, etc. Clayton reported Brigham Young saying that “the man must love his God and the woman must love her husband,” adding that “woman will never get back, unless she follows the man back.” (George D. Smith, ed., An Intimate Chronicle: The Journals of William Clayton, Introduction, Signature Books, pp. The most important thing a young woman has to offer her husband, is her virginity. Mormons do not believe that talking to you about their religion is a requirement to get into heaven. . As I sat thinking, it dawned on … God being married in heaven and producing spirit children to populate earth with a heavenly “wife” The pre-mortal life with Jesus and Lucifer being spirit-brothers; Men becoming gods 10. Have any of you been there? . Unmarried women can certainly get to heaven-- and depending on what you mean by "heaven," they don't even Usually, this is done by making Mormon beliefs seem as strange and weird as possible. This is a compilation of facts and myths about Mormon beliefs compiled from comments and other resources. The man then mentions his new name, gives the grip of the third degree, and is permitted to pass in. . When a Mormon returns to the temple, on various occasions, to go through the endowment ceremony, he/she will stand in by proxy for a dead person. One must be married in the LDS temple and then obey all of the Mormon regulations to get to the highest degree of heaven. each put on the “garment,” [Special LDS underwear. However, God does command his followers to be baptized as a signal to God and the world that you have undergone a significant spiritual experience. In the Introduction to An Intimate Chronicle: The Journals of William Clayton we read: Clayton described the temple endowment, a ritualized drama of the creation, fall, and redemption of Adam, during which its participants promise obedience and loyalty to the church, and repeat passwords and signs they believe will enable them to enter into the celestial or highest kingdom of heaven. “What!—my husband to be my lord?”, I ask, Can you get into the celestial kingdom without him? As a Christian site, we do not need to add to the pain of the loss by allowing posts that deny the existence of the virus that killed their loved one. Coauthor: Tony Nugent, Ph.D. “Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants [they may be worthy and righteous, but they are ministering servants], to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory. . Members have lost loved ones to this virus and are grieving. 204-240.). His first wife died of an illness and he was sealed to her. In evangelizing members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), the Mormons, I recommend a respectful three-step approach that I have found does at least two things: it fosters a conversation without causing an abrupt end to it, and it has never resulted in anything close to a cogent response from the Mormon.. 2, where they are seated, the sexes on opposite sides of the room, and facing each other. The LDS Church is still teaching that the husband will call the wife from the grave. Ambitious Mormon men must beget many children with as many wives as possible, for "their glory (in heaven) is in proportion to the number of their wives and children" (Snowden 141). For instance, a man may be going through the ritual in behalf of his dead uncle. If he does not call her up she would still resurrect, but not as his wife. A woman must have any prior marriage/sealing canceled before she can be married and sealed to another man in the temple. The first time a Mormon attends the temple endowment ceremony he/she will be given a new name [usually a Bible name like Peter or Mary or the name of European royalty]. This is why when the Mormon male leaders speak to women, it is often with an attitude of telling them they are doing "enough" already and to take time to enjoy their lives. No one who rejects the covenant of celestial marriage can reach exaltation in the eternal kingdom of God. I have never heard this...so, for clarification sake, LDS official teaching is that no single person can enter into the highest level of heaven? These are the people in the white dress shirts who come knocking on your door, wondering if you have time to talk about the Book of Mormon. . (W. John Walsh, “Do Husbands Resurrect Their Wives?” Retrieved 11-8-2013). After this they receive certain grips and pass-words, and all are arranged in a circle, kneel, and the women lower their veils. His first wife died of an illness and he was sealed to her. We are no longer allowing posts or threads that deny the existence of Covid-19. When a Mormon returns to the temple, on various occasions, to go through the endowment ceremony, he/she will stand in by proxy for a dead person. Unless you are simply sharing music, please post a summary, or the gist, of the video you wish to share. You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world. The Mormons also believe that a person must accept Jesus Christ as His Savior in order to return to God’s presence after death. We are only subject to our God and if we obtain the highest level of heaven we can become gods ourselves. . . This decade has been called, “The Mormon Moment,” the time that America’s largest home-grown religion finally comes into its own as a part of the Christian tapestry. Carol Lynn Pearson's new book argues that many, if not most, Mormon women feel pain and fear at the prospect of sharing their husbands with at least one other wife for all of eternity. Will I be second in his life in the eternities? After Mrs. Smith and her first husband, Wallace Henderson, left Nauvoo and headed west, their marriage began to fall apart. They were said directly to us. Posthumous baptisms are conducted primarily to allow Church members to give non-Mormon … [In 1990 the Mormon Church removed the signs of the death penalties from the ceremony. Good people, who were not Mormons, will go to the middle level, the Terrestrial Kingdom (D&C 76:71–79). Clayton recorded that “The tokens and covenants are . Even some LDS quirks seem to be turning into positives. What Exactly Does a Mormon Bishop Do? . Mormons believe that after the Judgment, there are actually three levels of heaven where people will go. This is not to say that the husband determines whether or not a woman will be resurrected or which level of Mormon heaven she will inherit. In Mormon theology, God is made of flesh and bone, and has a goddess wife/wives. . Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the "Mormon" church) believe that nearly everyone will go to one of the three levels of heaven. 42-48). These will supposedly be their names in eternity. How to Get to Heaven : How does a person get to heaven? . Mormon girls are taught that it is better for them to die than to lose their virginity before marriage. No one who rejects the covenant of celestial marriage can reach exaltation in the eternal kingdom of God. He actually is hoping for us to come to Him! . Raised within the 180,000-strong British Mormon community, She grew up in a family that was "very, very obedient. The sincerely held beliefs of faithful Mormons have been mocked on Broadway Shows, late-night adult cartoons, and bloggers who seem to have an axe to grind against Mormons. . . This is false. Over the past two centuries, the relationship between black people and Mormonism includes both official and unofficial discrimination. they do not have a professional ministry and i have yet to hear anything in a mormon church service that strikes me as spiritually uplifting. Among other indiscretions, Mr. Henderson took another wife and Ettie left him. “In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees; “And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage]; “And if he does not, he cannot obtain it. Mormonism teaches: God has physical sex in heaven. This is one of my favorite stories. D&C 76: 24 Do you uphold your husband before God as your lord? They cite the Apostle Paul in the Bible, who called the different levels of heaven “glories” and compared them to the brightness of the sun, the moon, and the stars. We were next led into what is called the Terrestrial Glory; where Brigham Young received us, . there are many gods, and they do not acknowledge the one Triune God of the Bible, but that every man will sometime be a “god;” and that women are to be the ornaments of his kingdom, and dependent upon him for resurrection and salvation; and that our salvation is dependent upon the recollection of these passwords; . .” (N. W. Green, Mormonism: Its Rise, Progress, and Present Condition. (Mormonism: Its Rise, Progress, and Present Condition, p. 154). (Mormonism: Its Rise, Progress, and Present Condition, p. 132). All others have immortality [which is defined as the ability to live forever in a single condition, not married and no future children] but do not have Eternal Life. He does not understand. Likewise, a man’s father will be given the privilege of resurrecting him. The LDS Church teaches that at the end of the world everyone will be resurrected. . However, there is no such teaching in the Bible.  Jesus is quoted in the book of John as saying: For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. Here they are told by a priest that any person not strong enough to proceed may retire; but if any portion of the ceremony is disclosed, the throat of the person so offending will be cut from ear to ear. No matter how much suffering or sorrow we face in this life, ahead of us is Heaven. Due to legal and social pressures, Mormon officials banned the practice of plural marriage in 1890; however, many Mormons still participate in plural “spiritual” marriages, which are said to have the same effect in heaven as physical marriages. I have never heard this...so, for clarification sake, LDS official teaching is that no single person can enter into the highest level of heaven? All good Mormons are buried in their endowment robes, and the veil worn by the women covers their faces when they are consigned to the grave. Mormons do not necessarily flaunt their belief in three heavens; they are not secretive, but the average non-Mormon Joe does not know this about them, and let’s be honest; it is kind of strange, and leads one to wonder exactly how all these details of different heavens came about. A new temple name would be assigned to the dead person, which could be Joseph, David, Paul, etc. Finally St James and St John appear and proclaim the true gospel of Mormonism, which all gladly embrace. For instance, a man may be going through the ritual in behalf of his dead uncle. However, I’m having issues with the fact that I’ll be the ’second’ wife sealed to him. One must be married in the LDS temple and then obey all of the Mormon regulations to get to the highest degree of heaven. However, the church does have a process for annulment and sees divorce as an unfortunately necessary evil. Nobody applies to become or lobbies to become a bishop. We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless! If you ask most people this question, they might say something like, "If you do more good things than bad things, God will probably let you into heaven. When we sin, we fall short of God’s standards. And the dead in Christ will rise first. . I shall assume that the question is inquiring as to the practices of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which has been so named since 1838. In the case of a dead woman, a Mormon woman would stand in by proxy for her, and the dead woman would be given a new temple name, like Rachael, Eve, Rebecca, etc. If you ask most people this question, they might say something like, "If you do more good things than bad things, God will probably let you into heaven. 357-358). . Otherwise, if by chance you should drop away, having no husband to raise you at the last day, you could not be ‘resurrected’ as a saint, and would only be raised like any Gentile, as a servant for the Saints, i.e., for the Mormons.”, I was so much disgusted with this proposition, that I left him in the most unceremonious manner, in the midst of his disinterested effort for my salvation. If yes, I will not go through this marriage, I don’t want to be second in his life after death. he gave each a pass-word and grip necessary, he said, to admit us into the “Celestial Glory;” . But more often, it is simply referred to obliquely or not at all. . These will supposedly be their names in eternity. But, their exaltation will be seriously affected becaue single individuals are relegated to being ministering angels only forever. “We . He is the first born child of the Heavenly Father. Mormon marriages are different from most marriages because they are considered eternal. In the morning of the resurrection, this veil is to be lifted by the husband; otherwise no woman can see the face of the almighty in the next world. . [These markings are already sewn on the garments today.] If you’re a Mormon, you’ve most likely had another Christian say or insinuate something to the effect of, “You Mormons think you can work your way to heaven.”. Those faltering, if any, having retired, the remainder are taken into room No. If a husband and wife are sealed together in the temple, they can be together on into the celestial kingdom. It’s just bound to happen. Joseph Smith rejected the idea that all people go either to heaven or to hell. If he does not call her up she would still resurrect, but not as his wife. Here we were undressed and washed in a large tub of warm water .